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Цхинвали был уничтожен российской авиацией уже после того, как туда вошли российские солдаты. Об этом в интервью "Коммерсанту" заявил президент Грузии Михаил Саакашвили. "Было сброшено столько бомб, что города теперь просто нет. Россия ухитрилась превратить его во второй Грозный, чем еще раз продемонстрировала свое отношение к осетинскому народу да и к остальному миру", - заявил грузинский лидер.
Саакашвили также опроверг сообщения о российской стороны о том, что в Южной Осетии погибли до двух тысяч мирных жителей. "Там двух тысяч человек вообще не было. Если кто и оставался в Цхинвали, то единственное, от чего он мог погибнуть, — это от российской авиации", - заявил он.
Правозащитная организация Human Rights Watch также считает, что власти России и Южной Осетии на порядок завысили число погибших и пострадавших в зоне конфликта мирных жителей и военнослужащих. Как заявила в эфире "Эха Москвы", директор московского представительства HRW Анна Нейстат, число раненых в результате боевых действий в Цхинвали с 8 по 10 августа исчисляется десятками. По ее словам, правозащитники располагают данными о 50-60 погибших, из них половина - мирные жители.
grani.ru, 15.08.2008 08:55
Саакашвили также опроверг сообщения о российской стороны о том, что в Южной Осетии погибли до двух тысяч мирных жителей. "Там двух тысяч человек вообще не было. Если кто и оставался в Цхинвали, то единственное, от чего он мог погибнуть, — это от российской авиации", - заявил он.
Правозащитная организация Human Rights Watch также считает, что власти России и Южной Осетии на порядок завысили число погибших и пострадавших в зоне конфликта мирных жителей и военнослужащих. Как заявила в эфире "Эха Москвы", директор московского представительства HRW Анна Нейстат, число раненых в результате боевых действий в Цхинвали с 8 по 10 августа исчисляется десятками. По ее словам, правозащитники располагают данными о 50-60 погибших, из них половина - мирные жители.
grani.ru, 15.08.2008 08:55
na nors karta adamkus tapo ryztingas vadovas,jis tikrai zavi savo nedviprasmiskom mintim,kovingumu, visus ikvepia kovai uz tiesa
ka tik ziurejau zinias. zinote, kad zuvusiu Osetyjoje gruzinu kareiviu niekas atgal nenori imti? tai i Osetija atveze simtus karstu, kad galetu juos palaidoti Osetijos zemeje. Juos net gi tevai gimdo tam , kad kariauti ir viskas.
na, tu biski nusisnekejai cia. gal Sibiras biski ir atsilieka nuo musu, bet su elektra ten nera problemu ir mobiliais telefonais irgi. jeigu ten nebuvau, tai ir sakyti nieko negali. zmones ten gyvena ramybeje su nuostabia gamta ir viskuo ko jiems reikia. ir Putinas jokios propogandos neveda. kai viskas pasibaigs ir Gruzijos prezidenta nuteis, pamatysim, ka jus tada dainuosit. :)
О потерях среди жителей Цхинвали ничего сказать невозможно — сведений просто нет, своих погибших родственники забирают сами. Но не тысячи точно. В районе 12-й школы погибли восемь человек.
В грузинских селах на Траскаме горит все. Оставшихся грузинских военных ищут по подвалам и стреляют на месте. Эйфория разрушения и разграбления — тащат абсолютно все, от автомобилей и мебели до баранов в багажнике.
Аркадий Бабченко, 13.08.2008
novayagazeta.ru nr.59
В грузинских селах на Траскаме горит все. Оставшихся грузинских военных ищут по подвалам и стреляют на месте. Эйфория разрушения и разграбления — тащат абсолютно все, от автомобилей и мебели до баранов в багажнике.
Аркадий Бабченко, 13.08.2008
novayagazeta.ru nr.59
Gaila man tų ruselių, jie niekada negyveno ir greit negyvens demokratinėje valstybėje.
Jie gal tik įsivazduoja gyveną tokioje kai kremlius jiems surengia "rinkimų" šou. Kremlius tokiais "rinkimais" nušauna du zuikius: ir saviškiams plauna smegenis, ir Vakarus mulkina.
Bet kita vertus bandau ir juos suprasti. Būčiau gimęs kokioje sibiro tundroje kur iki artimiausio laidinio telefono kokie 5oo km. (mobilus telefonas ten negirdėtas dalykas), elektra gal tik tris valandas per dieną būna. Tai man taip Putino propaganda išplautų smegenis, kad keikčiau Vakarus išsijuosęs.
Jie gal tik įsivazduoja gyveną tokioje kai kremlius jiems surengia "rinkimų" šou. Kremlius tokiais "rinkimais" nušauna du zuikius: ir saviškiams plauna smegenis, ir Vakarus mulkina.
Bet kita vertus bandau ir juos suprasti. Būčiau gimęs kokioje sibiro tundroje kur iki artimiausio laidinio telefono kokie 5oo km. (mobilus telefonas ten negirdėtas dalykas), elektra gal tik tris valandas per dieną būna. Tai man taip Putino propaganda išplautų smegenis, kad keikčiau Vakarus išsijuosęs.
jo lietuva turi AHUENA armija:))))))))))))
By JOHN O'SULLIVAN
Moscow girls make me sing and shout
That Georgia's always on my mind.
I'm back in the USSR
You don't know how lucky you are boys
Back in the USSR
- John Lennon & Paul McCartney
IT'S not only the South Osse tians who are back in the USSR this morning. Other Georgians, countries in Russia's "near abroad" from the Caucasus to the Baltic, "national minorities" such as the Chechens, the West and even Russians themselves now must deal with a country and political leadership that bear an eerie similarity to Soviet models. They are authoritarian, militaristic, greedy and not overly concerned about where their borders end.
How lucky we should all feel about this is another matter - as is what to do about it.
In recent years, the Russian state has:
* Been credibly accused of murdering an exile in London;
* Expropriated foreign investments on behalf of an energy company controlled by itself;
* Cut off energy supplies to other states as a means of political intimidation, and
* Assisted secessionist rebels in neighboring states in order to keep their newly independent governments off balance.
Plus, of course, it has now - no more Mr. Nice Guy - invaded and bombed the sovereign state of Georgia.
Sometimes these actions have worn a thin disguise of tax-law enforcement or "peacekeeping." "Democracy" has been a similar camouflage for an authoritarian system in which power and wealth increasingly gather in the hands of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and other siloviki (former intelligence bureaucrats).
But, although the siloviki know how to seize property, they have no idea how to create wealth. They generally mismanage what they seize - and so eventually need to seize more.
This parasitic system has been exported profitably to the "secessionist" regions of Georgia which the Kremlin claims to be protecting. Almost all the top officials in the South Ossetian "government" are ex-KGB officials from various Russian provinces. As Yulia Latynina of the newspaper Novaya Gazeta drily points out: "South Ossetia is not a territory, not a country, not a regime. It is a joint venture of siloviki generals and Ossetian bandits for making money in a conflict with Georgia."
Beyond making money for the siloviki, South Ossetia exists for the purpose of destabilizing pro-Western Georgia. Its sporadic shelling of nearby Georgian villages provoked Georgia's President Mikheil Saakashvili into a seemingly catastrophic military response.
But if Georgia had taken no action, Russia would have incorporated the breakaway province by degrees - Prime Minister Vladimir Putin had already awarded Russian passports to South Ossetian residents. Both trapdoors led to the same result: Russian expansion, the punishment of Georgia for daring to be an ally of the West - and the annexation of South Ossetia, now occupied by Russian "peacekeepers."
Yes, it's "Back in the USSR," boys.
Moscow girls make me sing and shout
That Georgia's always on my mind.
I'm back in the USSR
You don't know how lucky you are boys
Back in the USSR
- John Lennon & Paul McCartney
IT'S not only the South Osse tians who are back in the USSR this morning. Other Georgians, countries in Russia's "near abroad" from the Caucasus to the Baltic, "national minorities" such as the Chechens, the West and even Russians themselves now must deal with a country and political leadership that bear an eerie similarity to Soviet models. They are authoritarian, militaristic, greedy and not overly concerned about where their borders end.
How lucky we should all feel about this is another matter - as is what to do about it.
In recent years, the Russian state has:
* Been credibly accused of murdering an exile in London;
* Expropriated foreign investments on behalf of an energy company controlled by itself;
* Cut off energy supplies to other states as a means of political intimidation, and
* Assisted secessionist rebels in neighboring states in order to keep their newly independent governments off balance.
Plus, of course, it has now - no more Mr. Nice Guy - invaded and bombed the sovereign state of Georgia.
Sometimes these actions have worn a thin disguise of tax-law enforcement or "peacekeeping." "Democracy" has been a similar camouflage for an authoritarian system in which power and wealth increasingly gather in the hands of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and other siloviki (former intelligence bureaucrats).
But, although the siloviki know how to seize property, they have no idea how to create wealth. They generally mismanage what they seize - and so eventually need to seize more.
This parasitic system has been exported profitably to the "secessionist" regions of Georgia which the Kremlin claims to be protecting. Almost all the top officials in the South Ossetian "government" are ex-KGB officials from various Russian provinces. As Yulia Latynina of the newspaper Novaya Gazeta drily points out: "South Ossetia is not a territory, not a country, not a regime. It is a joint venture of siloviki generals and Ossetian bandits for making money in a conflict with Georgia."
Beyond making money for the siloviki, South Ossetia exists for the purpose of destabilizing pro-Western Georgia. Its sporadic shelling of nearby Georgian villages provoked Georgia's President Mikheil Saakashvili into a seemingly catastrophic military response.
But if Georgia had taken no action, Russia would have incorporated the breakaway province by degrees - Prime Minister Vladimir Putin had already awarded Russian passports to South Ossetian residents. Both trapdoors led to the same result: Russian expansion, the punishment of Georgia for daring to be an ally of the West - and the annexation of South Ossetia, now occupied by Russian "peacekeepers."
Yes, it's "Back in the USSR," boys.
By JOHN O'SULLIVAN
Moscow girls make me sing and shout
That Georgia's always on my mind.
I'm back in the USSR
You don't know how lucky you are boys
Back in the USSR
- John Lennon & Paul McCartney
IT'S not only the South Osse tians who are back in the USSR this morning. Other Georgians, countries in Russia's "near abroad" from the Caucasus to the Baltic, "national minorities" such as the Chechens, the West and even Russians themselves now must deal with a country and political leadership that bear an eerie similarity to Soviet models. They are authoritarian, militaristic, greedy and not overly concerned about where their borders end.
How lucky we should all feel about this is another matter - as is what to do about it.
In recent years, the Russian state has:
* Been credibly accused of murdering an exile in London;
* Expropriated foreign investments on behalf of an energy company controlled by itself;
* Cut off energy supplies to other states as a means of political intimidation, and
* Assisted secessionist rebels in neighboring states in order to keep their newly independent governments off balance.
Plus, of course, it has now - no more Mr. Nice Guy - invaded and bombed the sovereign state of Georgia.
Sometimes these actions have worn a thin disguise of tax-law enforcement or "peacekeeping." "Democracy" has been a similar camouflage for an authoritarian system in which power and wealth increasingly gather in the hands of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and other siloviki (former intelligence bureaucrats).
But, although the siloviki know how to seize property, they have no idea how to create wealth. They generally mismanage what they seize - and so eventually need to seize more.
This parasitic system has been exported profitably to the "secessionist" regions of Georgia which the Kremlin claims to be protecting. Almost all the top officials in the South Ossetian "government" are ex-KGB officials from various Russian provinces. As Yulia Latynina of the newspaper Novaya Gazeta drily points out: "South Ossetia is not a territory, not a country, not a regime. It is a joint venture of siloviki generals and Ossetian bandits for making money in a conflict with Georgia."
Beyond making money for the siloviki, South Ossetia exists for the purpose of destabilizing pro-Western Georgia. Its sporadic shelling of nearby Georgian villages provoked Georgia's President Mikheil Saakashvili into a seemingly catastrophic military response.
But if Georgia had taken no action, Russia would have incorporated the breakaway province by degrees - Prime Minister Vladimir Putin had already awarded Russian passports to South Ossetian residents. Both trapdoors led to the same result: Russian expansion, the punishment of Georgia for daring to be an ally of the West - and the annexation of South Ossetia, now occupied by Russian "peacekeepers."
Yes, it's "Back in the USSR," boys.
Moscow girls make me sing and shout
That Georgia's always on my mind.
I'm back in the USSR
You don't know how lucky you are boys
Back in the USSR
- John Lennon & Paul McCartney
IT'S not only the South Osse tians who are back in the USSR this morning. Other Georgians, countries in Russia's "near abroad" from the Caucasus to the Baltic, "national minorities" such as the Chechens, the West and even Russians themselves now must deal with a country and political leadership that bear an eerie similarity to Soviet models. They are authoritarian, militaristic, greedy and not overly concerned about where their borders end.
How lucky we should all feel about this is another matter - as is what to do about it.
In recent years, the Russian state has:
* Been credibly accused of murdering an exile in London;
* Expropriated foreign investments on behalf of an energy company controlled by itself;
* Cut off energy supplies to other states as a means of political intimidation, and
* Assisted secessionist rebels in neighboring states in order to keep their newly independent governments off balance.
Plus, of course, it has now - no more Mr. Nice Guy - invaded and bombed the sovereign state of Georgia.
Sometimes these actions have worn a thin disguise of tax-law enforcement or "peacekeeping." "Democracy" has been a similar camouflage for an authoritarian system in which power and wealth increasingly gather in the hands of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and other siloviki (former intelligence bureaucrats).
But, although the siloviki know how to seize property, they have no idea how to create wealth. They generally mismanage what they seize - and so eventually need to seize more.
This parasitic system has been exported profitably to the "secessionist" regions of Georgia which the Kremlin claims to be protecting. Almost all the top officials in the South Ossetian "government" are ex-KGB officials from various Russian provinces. As Yulia Latynina of the newspaper Novaya Gazeta drily points out: "South Ossetia is not a territory, not a country, not a regime. It is a joint venture of siloviki generals and Ossetian bandits for making money in a conflict with Georgia."
Beyond making money for the siloviki, South Ossetia exists for the purpose of destabilizing pro-Western Georgia. Its sporadic shelling of nearby Georgian villages provoked Georgia's President Mikheil Saakashvili into a seemingly catastrophic military response.
But if Georgia had taken no action, Russia would have incorporated the breakaway province by degrees - Prime Minister Vladimir Putin had already awarded Russian passports to South Ossetian residents. Both trapdoors led to the same result: Russian expansion, the punishment of Georgia for daring to be an ally of the West - and the annexation of South Ossetia, now occupied by Russian "peacekeepers."
Yes, it's "Back in the USSR," boys.
Gera mintis gelbėti Gruziją įvedant kariuomenhę į Kaliningradą.Juk turime 24 profesionalų būrį,pas Petraškevičių (berods,tokia to ginklų "konstruktoriaus pavardė?) bus dar kur nors paslėptas koks šautuvėlis,o jei dar truks,Kronkaitis žino kur gauti.Bugnininkus iš Vilniaus į pirmą gretą,Juknevičienę su vėliava priekyje visų,ir marš-marš į Kaliningradą.Rusai kaip mat pabėgs net iki Uralo.
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