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jau galima anegdotus skelt apie chikagieti .
Jei kas nors ne taip , nukrita ar kas suluzo AtSaKyMaS ---------------------------> -TAI KGB, FSB, Kremlius, ir tt ... kalti Russai .
saule blogai sviecia --->kalti Russai, kgb, fsb .... o dar ir khunta
chikagieti tu PARANOIKE , EIK ISSIMIEGOK !!!!
Jei kas nors ne taip , nukrita ar kas suluzo AtSaKyMaS ---------------------------> -TAI KGB, FSB, Kremlius, ir tt ... kalti Russai .
saule blogai sviecia --->kalti Russai, kgb, fsb .... o dar ir khunta
chikagieti tu PARANOIKE , EIK ISSIMIEGOK !!!!
cikagieti , tu gaidy persijunk ta savo bbc i koki kita kanala , daune bushas jau ne valdo , gali ten daugiau nelist i subine amerikonams . Greiciausia tau pazadejo uz tavo propoganda cia , usa pilietybe :)))))
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kaip durnas komentaras- tai Cikagitis privare briedo visokio kaip apsirukes. O siaip labai gerai kad JAV ir Rusija gerina santykius.
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jankiai FUCK OFF
Jusu smegenys praplautos,komentatoriai ;]
Cikagos mafija ir zydai valdys pasauli.
tarsi į šikną kažkas jai branduolinį runkelį būtų sugrūdęs. Gal Putino darbas ?
Siulau puiku BBC komentara, kuris atspindi Vakaru nuomone ir demaskuoja teroristini Kremlin kgb chunta:
07 March 2009 Web Alice in wonder land wrote:
"The hand of friendship is being proffered in a very obvious, high-profile way. The interesting question is what happens if the outstretched open palm is smacked away."
Can't speak for Iran and Syria, don't know what's in the hand for them.
What's in the outstretched open palm for Russia; only Lavrov today knows.
A mortal can only extrapolate.
The issues that seem to be discussed are long known:
1. Georgia
2. Ukraine
3. US systems in Europe /Czech and Poland
4. Supplies to Afghanistan
5. Iran's potential nuclear arms
6. START part 2 (strategic arms reduction btw the USA and Russia)
No 1. Clear message Abkhasia and SO won't be recognised by the USA!!!.
Don't see any "presents" in the "outstretched open arm" here.
But no problems either. I don't think we care if they are recognised or not. The saying goes "Call me a pot if you wish - only don't put into the stove."
Russia will be content if USA won't give Saakashvili wrong hopes and way too much sponsorship to encourage him to make war on these 2 places again.
This can be negotiated I guess, and, provided it's peace and quiet on our borderline.... Especially btw 2009 and 2014 The Olympics in Sochi...
We won't mind if USA will mentally list Abkhasia and SO as part of ever-integral Georgia. Guadeloupe. Or Honduras.
2. Ukraine is a sore spot. Just days ago US protege president Joushnko "special forces" took by storm Naftogaz office in Kiev and, as they claim, took the original of the gas contract btw Ukraine and Russia, from the office of the Naftogaz vice-director.
Naftogaz office security fought president controlled troops but were beaten.
Julia Timoshenko stood in the steps of the Ukraine's gas company taken by storm like some Reichstag and shouted "Don't do this. I am your prime minister. I allow you not to fulfill president's orders." Guarding the original of the Russia-Ukraine gas contract, agreed upon with so much difficulty just a month ago we all remember in which circumstances, like a tigress.
Now Naftogaz says the original is still with them, but nobody knows for sure.
You can't call this healthy climate and at stake is Russia's gas supplies to Europe - ie Europe's source of gas and Russia's source of money. Especially in crisis.
Yes there is a belief in Russia that Ukrainian president is acting as a US puppet; but like with Saakashvili - it's only observations and neither of the two presidents will admit if he acts thus by himself or is it encouraged by the USA.
This is all un-lovely, and difficult for Russia to manage, as you don't know who to talk to - neither in Georgia nor in Ukraine.
With the US military advisers sitting openly in both countries' defence ministries, at permament tables and with permanent offices, with 2,000 US funds and various "cultural", "NGO", "religious" organisations working in Ukraine - USA is activley present in both countries; this is seen by an un-aided eye.
And USA has stated now again it will not abandon its new friends.
So it is going to continue to be difficult for Russia.
What's good in the "outstreched palm", again?
A big question.
No 3 USA tied up with No 5 - Russia influences Iran not to have nuclear arms and in exchange USA abandons its plans to install systems in the Czech and Poland.
First of all this is easier said than done; Russia isn't omnipotent in Iran. We are completing the construction of the nuclear power station there; due to give first electricity by September, now in final trials.
But I don't think we have more ground than that.
Secondly, it is kind of a black-mail. "We won't endanger your security, if you sort out Iran for us." That's not a friendly approach. Asking for a very difficult to fulfill favour, nearly impossible to do a favour, I would say - in exchange for "we won't threaten you". Simply a strange approach. I don't know what Lavrov has said, but I'd say it is not a fair trade-off offer.
On No 4 Afghanistan I think we will co-operate. With a heavy heart, though.
I think by helping USA in its fight against radical islamists Russia endangers itself, moves from a neutral position to taking a side, and becomes open for terroristic attacks itself. This will be a big favour on the Russian side, and done in exchange for what? for smiles, and change of tone.
No 6 START - also a very tricky issue. 1991 conditions are out of the question. Russian position is USA counts as its 100% armament on board its fleet and airplanes. USA favours 1991 option - when these don't count towards the total number, but only those rockets located on the ground.
Besides, even if we agree on what is a "100%" - in both USA and Russia - to minus a 20% reduction. What about China?
They don't plan to dis-arm.
USA lists China in buddies, it's a tandem, and doesn't care of China dis-arms as well.
For Russia it is different, and China is our immediate neighbour. Not like for the USA, on another continent.
By cutting 20% we weaken our position in regards to China.
Is it fair to ask Russia to do this?
In other words the "outstretched open palm" is full of troubles, I'd put it simply, sorry.
Still, "bad peace is better than a good quarrel". Especially during the world crisis. So overall I am happy USA changed the tone to a more friendly one, and surely we will try to sing in the friendly tune as well as a return favour.
But in terms of reaching a practical agreement on all these issues... every thing we satisfy USA "suggestions" - is a loss for
07 March 2009 Web Alice in wonder land wrote:
"The hand of friendship is being proffered in a very obvious, high-profile way. The interesting question is what happens if the outstretched open palm is smacked away."
Can't speak for Iran and Syria, don't know what's in the hand for them.
What's in the outstretched open palm for Russia; only Lavrov today knows.
A mortal can only extrapolate.
The issues that seem to be discussed are long known:
1. Georgia
2. Ukraine
3. US systems in Europe /Czech and Poland
4. Supplies to Afghanistan
5. Iran's potential nuclear arms
6. START part 2 (strategic arms reduction btw the USA and Russia)
No 1. Clear message Abkhasia and SO won't be recognised by the USA!!!.
Don't see any "presents" in the "outstretched open arm" here.
But no problems either. I don't think we care if they are recognised or not. The saying goes "Call me a pot if you wish - only don't put into the stove."
Russia will be content if USA won't give Saakashvili wrong hopes and way too much sponsorship to encourage him to make war on these 2 places again.
This can be negotiated I guess, and, provided it's peace and quiet on our borderline.... Especially btw 2009 and 2014 The Olympics in Sochi...
We won't mind if USA will mentally list Abkhasia and SO as part of ever-integral Georgia. Guadeloupe. Or Honduras.
2. Ukraine is a sore spot. Just days ago US protege president Joushnko "special forces" took by storm Naftogaz office in Kiev and, as they claim, took the original of the gas contract btw Ukraine and Russia, from the office of the Naftogaz vice-director.
Naftogaz office security fought president controlled troops but were beaten.
Julia Timoshenko stood in the steps of the Ukraine's gas company taken by storm like some Reichstag and shouted "Don't do this. I am your prime minister. I allow you not to fulfill president's orders." Guarding the original of the Russia-Ukraine gas contract, agreed upon with so much difficulty just a month ago we all remember in which circumstances, like a tigress.
Now Naftogaz says the original is still with them, but nobody knows for sure.
You can't call this healthy climate and at stake is Russia's gas supplies to Europe - ie Europe's source of gas and Russia's source of money. Especially in crisis.
Yes there is a belief in Russia that Ukrainian president is acting as a US puppet; but like with Saakashvili - it's only observations and neither of the two presidents will admit if he acts thus by himself or is it encouraged by the USA.
This is all un-lovely, and difficult for Russia to manage, as you don't know who to talk to - neither in Georgia nor in Ukraine.
With the US military advisers sitting openly in both countries' defence ministries, at permament tables and with permanent offices, with 2,000 US funds and various "cultural", "NGO", "religious" organisations working in Ukraine - USA is activley present in both countries; this is seen by an un-aided eye.
And USA has stated now again it will not abandon its new friends.
So it is going to continue to be difficult for Russia.
What's good in the "outstreched palm", again?
A big question.
No 3 USA tied up with No 5 - Russia influences Iran not to have nuclear arms and in exchange USA abandons its plans to install systems in the Czech and Poland.
First of all this is easier said than done; Russia isn't omnipotent in Iran. We are completing the construction of the nuclear power station there; due to give first electricity by September, now in final trials.
But I don't think we have more ground than that.
Secondly, it is kind of a black-mail. "We won't endanger your security, if you sort out Iran for us." That's not a friendly approach. Asking for a very difficult to fulfill favour, nearly impossible to do a favour, I would say - in exchange for "we won't threaten you". Simply a strange approach. I don't know what Lavrov has said, but I'd say it is not a fair trade-off offer.
On No 4 Afghanistan I think we will co-operate. With a heavy heart, though.
I think by helping USA in its fight against radical islamists Russia endangers itself, moves from a neutral position to taking a side, and becomes open for terroristic attacks itself. This will be a big favour on the Russian side, and done in exchange for what? for smiles, and change of tone.
No 6 START - also a very tricky issue. 1991 conditions are out of the question. Russian position is USA counts as its 100% armament on board its fleet and airplanes. USA favours 1991 option - when these don't count towards the total number, but only those rockets located on the ground.
Besides, even if we agree on what is a "100%" - in both USA and Russia - to minus a 20% reduction. What about China?
They don't plan to dis-arm.
USA lists China in buddies, it's a tandem, and doesn't care of China dis-arms as well.
For Russia it is different, and China is our immediate neighbour. Not like for the USA, on another continent.
By cutting 20% we weaken our position in regards to China.
Is it fair to ask Russia to do this?
In other words the "outstretched open palm" is full of troubles, I'd put it simply, sorry.
Still, "bad peace is better than a good quarrel". Especially during the world crisis. So overall I am happy USA changed the tone to a more friendly one, and surely we will try to sing in the friendly tune as well as a return favour.
But in terms of reaching a practical agreement on all these issues... every thing we satisfy USA "suggestions" - is a loss for
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